I have brought up this subject before and the advice was 32-programs should work with 64-bit computers using Windows 7. I have just replaced Vista with Windows 7 Professional. I still cannot run the DOE2.1E program and the weather processors (PKAFT, MKAFT, STAT, etc.) besides the APEC-HCCV. I get the message that a 32-bit program will not run 64-bit computer. I have a lot of files of buildings analyzed with DOE2.1E
Are the any instructions for making the adjustment?
Varkie
running 32-bit program on 64-bit computer
Feb 9, 2011
Try right-clicking on the desktop icon for the program you want to run and
change the compatibility mode to Windows XP:
If that doesn't work install Microsoft's Virtual PC and XP Mode
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/) . Install those older
programs within that environment and they should work fine.
Shaun Martin LEED AP
?Hello Varkie,
This is a common problem for people using 64-bit Windows 7. I have that version and have had numerous 32-bit programs that won't run on my 64-bit computer (though some do run.) The only sure way I know of is to run these under the Windows XP mode. If you haven't installed that capability, it's available at: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx
Regards,
Larry O. Degelman, P.E.
Thanks Larry. I downloaded the XP-mode but it does not work with DOE21E which runs under DOS. Your website could useful for teaching. Varkie
Varkie,
I'm surprised that you're having trouble running 2.1E and the DOE-2
weather processor using Windows 7. I switched to a PC running 64-bit
Windows 7, and haven't had any difficulties running any of the DOE-2
programs, although I have encountered difficulties with some old Unix
utilities and the Microsoft Developer Studio GUI for Fortran (although
the Fortran compiler itself runs fine). From the program
names you list, you're probably running a different compilation of 2.1E
than mine, which was done using Compaq Visual Fortran (ex-Digital
Fortran, etc.).
Joe Huang
Shaun,
I could not do this because the DOE2.1E program does not have a desktop icon. See message attached. Thanks for the information because it worked on a 32-bit program with a desktop icon that I transfered from another computer.
Varkie
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Here are the instructions for running 32-bit programs in the XP-Mode on computers with 64-bit Windows 7 (versions Professional, Enterprise & Ultimate only)
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Make-older-programs-run-in-this-version-of-Windows
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help/videos/using-windows-xp-mode
DOE21E was the only program that gave me a problem.
There seems to be no future to any of the DOE2 based programs including the weather processors (cannot convert NCDC weather files to location.bin). Almost all architects & engineers working on real buildings have switched from DOE21E to eQUEST, TRACE, HAP, etc. ? Not EnergyPlus The development of DOE21E and EnergyPlus was/is done with tax dollars.
Programs like DOE21E are still valid for over 90% of building projects. The APEC HCC-V program was written in 1966 (a forms input interface was added 20 years ago) is still a very practical & useful program. http://bepan.info/hvac-prog/x1-apec-hccv-loads
My suggestions for expanding and improving DOE21E are expressed in Article 3 ?Building Design and Energy Analysis Programs?. Please also read ?Accuracy Requirement of Energy Analysis Programs? also in Article 3. http://bepan.info/articles
If the DOE21E program and the source code are made open source, then graduate research students could try out new ideas. Actually you don?t need the source code. Instead freeze the existing code since it is error-free and make it possible to add/attach independent programs to it.
The intermediate results between Loads, Systems, Plant & Economics modules are saved in intermediate temporary files for use by the next module. Hourly results of all the FORTRAN variables from each module are available for print out by the program. The BDL input data is read into FORTRAN variables and so also are the output report variables. All this data could be organized, formatted and saved in an Excel type files that can read by other programs. Go to http://
I have transferred the hourly FORTRAN variable output from DOE21E to Excel for further analysis of specific projects.
Example: condensate from systems cooling coils for a building in Dubai to be used for irrigation. 13 ? Project ? Condensate-Water Recovery. http://bepan.info/engg-calcs
Example: The photo-voltaic (PV panels) performance for the Chicago Center for Green Technology was also obtained from DOE21E hourly variables and applying the manufacturers claim of percent converted 110V electricity. http://bepan.info/proj-bldgs/p11-ccgt-doe21e
Direct use of the BDL with constant reference to the manuals, is still important for learning and understanding the program. I have created templates of BDL for different systems, plant, load-management, utilities, etc. enable students to learn the direct use of DOE21E quickly. They would later switch to the interface (this would be eQUEST if nothing else is available) when turning out building projects.
I also have numerous DOE21E .inp files of several types of buildings that can be modified and simplified into case studies for teaching and learning.
Varkie
Building Energy Performance Analysis Notes (BEPAN)
http://bepan.info/
Below is a DOE21E template for Energy Resources
$------------------------------------------------------------------------------$
$ ENERGY RESOURCES $
$ DOE SOURCE-SITE-EFF : Electric = 0.33, NatGas = 0.95, Steam = 0.6, CHW = 1.5 $
$ NOT FROM DOE : Fuel-Oil = 0.9, HTHW = 0.6, Coal = 0.8, LPG = 0.9 $
$ Energy/Unit is always BTU/Unit $
$------------------------------------------------------------------------------$
$ English Units $
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = ELECTRICITY UNIT-NAME = KWH DEM-UNIT-NAME = KW
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .33 ENERGY/UNIT = 3413 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = NATURAL-GAS UNIT-NAME = THERM DEM-UNIT-NAME = THERMS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .95 ENERGY/UNIT = 100000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = NATURAL-GAS UNIT-NAME = K-CUFT DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-CUFT/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .95 ENERGY/UNIT = 1000000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = MBTU DEM-UNIT-NAME = MBTU/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 1000000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EWT = 250, LWT = 220, 253 btu/gal $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = K-GALLS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-GALLS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 253000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EWT = 250, LWT = 220, 30.4 btu/lb $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = K-LBS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-LBS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 30400 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-STEAM UNIT-NAME = MBTU DEM-UNIT-NAME = MBTU/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 1000000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EST = 220, LWT = 210, 975 btu/lb $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-STEAM UNIT-NAME = K-LBS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-LBS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 975000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = TON-HR DEM-UNIT-NAME = TONS
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .90 ENERGY/UNIT = 12000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EWT = 42, LWT = 54, 100 btu/gal $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = K-GALLS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K=GALLS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 100000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EWT = 42, LWT = 54, 12 btu/lb $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = K-LBS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-LBS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 12000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = FUEL-OIL-2 UNIT-NAME = GALLONS DEM-UNIT-NAME = GALLS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 140000 ..
$------------------------------------------------------------------------------$
$ METRIC Units $
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = ELECTRICITY UNIT-NAME = KWH DEM-UNIT-NAME = KW
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .33 ENERGY/UNIT = 3413 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ Million-Joules x 946.82 = BTU $
RESOURCE = NATURAL-GAS UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES DEM-UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .95 ENERGY/UNIT = 947 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ 1000 BTU/FT3, CU-MTR = 35.312 FT3 $
RESOURCE = NATURAL-GAS UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR DEM-UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .95 ENERGY/UNIT = 35312 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ Million-Joules x 946.82 = BTU $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES DEM-UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 947 ..
$ EWT = 250, LWT = 220, 253 btu/gal $
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ Cu-Mtr x 264.17 = gallons, 66835 btu/m3 $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR DEM-UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 66835 ..
$ EWT = 250, LWT = 220, 30.4 btu/lb $
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ KGS x 2.204 = LBS, 67 btu/KG $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-HTHW UNIT-NAME = K-KGS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-KGS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 67000 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ Million-Joules x 946.82 = BTU $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-STEAM UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES DEM-UNIT-NAME = M-JOULES/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 947 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ EST = 220, LWT = 210, 975 btu/lb, 2150 btu/kg $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-STEAM UNIT-NAME = KGS DEM-UNIT-NAME = KGS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 2150 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = TON-HR DEM-UNIT-NAME = TONS
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .90 ENERGY/UNIT = 12000 ..
$ EWT = 42, LWT = 54, 100 btu/gal $
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ Cu-Mtr x 264.17 = gallons, 26417 btu/m3 $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR DEM-UNIT-NAME = CU-MTR/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 26417 ..
$ EWT = 42, LWT = 54, 12 btu/lb $
ENERGY-RESOURCE $ KGS x 2.204 = LBS, 26.5 btu/KG $
RESOURCE = DISTRICT-CHW UNIT-NAME = K-KGS DEM-UNIT-NAME = K-KGS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 26500 ..
ENERGY-RESOURCE
RESOURCE = FUEL-OIL-2 UNIT-NAME = LITERS DEM-UNIT-NAME = LITERS/HR
SOURCE-SITE-EFF = .60 ENERGY/UNIT = 36598 ..
$------------------------------------------------------------------------------$
There are a few other details needed by proficient simulationistas.
Microsoft Excel 2007 massively increased the allowed size of
Spreadsheets, compared to earlier versions.
The software needed to run Windows 7 Pro / ULT / usw. in the virtual XP
PRo mode is not on the OEM install disk.
It has to be downloaded and installed. Go to the Virtual PC Homepage URL
>>>>>>..
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/
John R Ross III PE